Miś Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 "Ayahuasca Analogues and Plant-Based Tryptamines (2000)" http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/ayahuasca_analogues_dekorne_complete.pdf PHRAGMITES AUSTRALIS PHRAGMITES AUSTRALIS:ANOTHER AYAHUASCAADMIXTURE PLANTSpring 1995 I boiled a tea of Phragmites australisroot (45 grams) for about 15 minutes,then threw in the usual dose of Peganum harmala(3 grams). It was the mostsublime, pristine experience of my life and definitely my heaviest ayahuascaanalogue trip to date—highly visual, with awesome insights into myself andthe world. God, what a day! Six hours of mind-blowing revelations and insights. Incredible sensations of intense beauty. Visions of golden worlds beyond imagining. I was shivering all over for the first hour, which is typicalfor me whenever I’m on anything containing DMT. I was deeply touchedemotionally by the delicacy and beauty of it all. I heard from (someone else)who said it enabled him to speak to the animal spirits—he wasn’t exaggerating. P. australiswill revolutionize ayahuasca usage in this country. I wasabout twice as high as I’ve ever been on anything like this. I’m sure the dosecould even be increased with no problems. There was no nausea or otherside-effects whatsoever. The brew even tasted great, without the usual P.harmalabitterness—a slightly sugary molasses taste. Anyone could get thisdown without difficulty. This is what I’ve been looking for—my search forthe DMT-source-plant appears to be over. — ANONYMOUS Lordy, lordy—new plants are being (re)discovered monthly, it seems! Phragmites australisis totally new to me; a quick look in the JLF catalog tells me that its commonname is giant reed—the same moniker that Arundo donaxgoes by, ‘though it’s obviously in a different genus. OTT’SPharmacotheongives the original reference as: WASSEL,G.M.et al. 1985. “Alkaloids from the rhizomes of Phragmites australis(Cav.) Trin. exSteud.”Scientia Pharmaceutica53(3): 169–170.Chemical Abstracts104: 48723f.Your description suggests that it contains DMT minus other junk that often clouds thetrip or makes you sick. Let’s get some more first-hand data on this plant. — JIMDEKORNE PHRAGMITES AUSTRALIS:NEGATIVESummer 1995 I was intrigued with the “Phragmites australis:Another Ayahuasca Admixture Plant” article in the Spring 1995 issue of ER, and decided to check it out.I ordered 90 grams of the root from JLF and did two tests. In the first, Iweighed out 22.5 grams of root and 3 grams powdered Peganum harmalaseeds, and boiled same in three cups of water for fifteen minutes. I drank theadmixture to no effect. In the second test, I used 45 grams of root, 3 grams ofP. harmalaand let the mixture simmer overnight in a crock-pot at low heat.Again, nothing happened. If the person who wrote in initially (or anyoneelse) can shed some light on what I may be doing wrong, I would be mostobliged. — D.L., NV PHRAGMITES AUSTRALIS:POSITIVESummer 1995 Our first trials with Phragmites australiscombined with Peganum harmalawerenot quite what we were hoping for. The standard 3X lemon juice extract of60 grams P. australisplus 3 grams P. harmalawere taken after a 24 hour fast.It was definitely entheogenic, with the predominant sensation of 5-MeODMT. There was very little visual effect, but there was definitely a lot ofclear spatial energy movement through the body. The experience peaked ata “plus-two” about an hour after ingesting the P. australisportion of the brew.At this point my fellow psychonaut suddenly felt the urge to make a beelinefor the bathroom where he puked and shit at the same time. (Quite a predicament indeed!) Two hours into the trip I took a booster equivalent to 30grams of P. australisand 1.5 grams of P. harmala. This pushed me into a solid“plus-three,” which lasted for several hours. It came in waves of intensity. Iexperienced some very unpleasant nausea and somatic discomfort, whichset the tone of the trip. I suspect the lemon juice may have been a factor inthe side-effects, perhaps it’s not necessary in this brew. For future trials Iplan to investigate other possible means of ingestion. — EROS It seems unlikely that lemon juice would cause the side-effects noted. Have a tallglass of lemonade and rethink this. — DAVIDAARDVARK MORE PHRAGMITES AUSTRALISREPORTSFall 1995My test of Phragmites australis, using indole test strips from JRL BIOSCIENCES(no longer in business) showed no tryptamines. These strips have been very148reliable in testing other substances. Could there be variability in the type ofP. australis? I got mine from JLF. In the interest of clearing up distortionscould you include the sources of the materials mentioned in ER? — Mr. SEE,UT The dilemma in naming the sources for drug-containing plant products is that it couldbe seen to imply that these companies are selling such plants for consumptive purposes (which would be illegal in the case of plants that contain scheduled compounds).Of course, if a plant sold by one of these companies is inactive, then it probablydoesn’t contain a scheduled compound. Hence, it might be less of a problem to reportthose sources that are providing inactive plant material than reporting those thatprovide the active stuff. — DAVIDAARDVARK JOHNNY APPLESEED RESPONDSFall 1995 I dug some common reed (Phragmites australis) this winter in February anddid an alkaloid extraction using the acid/base method. The first extractionyielded enough for a pyro-assay, which resulted in a faintly perceptible “plus-1.5.” A later oral assay was about the same. The TLC plate shows a verysmall quantity of 5-MeO-DMT. This may be another one of those cases wherethere are alkaloids present, but in too small a quantity to make extractionworthwhile. I am sure there are varietal differences as well. — JOHNNYAPPLESEED PHRAGMITES AUSTRALIS:NEGATIVESpring 1996 Just for your info, I tried three times the Phragmites australis/Peganum harmalacombination with rhizomes from JLF. It was only very weakly psychoactive,and a big disappointment after the glowing report in ER. — H. WESTKEY, FL The general consensus seems to be that Phragmites australisis hardly worth bothering with. The “glowing report” in the Spring 1995 ERcame from a single individualwho maintains an extremely strict diet and is probably more sensitive to entheogensthan the average user. Bear in mind that individual plants can vary widely in tryptaminecontent and one person’s unique experience is not always repeatable across the board.Because of the mostly negative feedback on this plant, I have learned to be morecautious about emphasizing rave reports concerning otherwise unproven botanicals.— JIMDEKORNEANOTHER POSITIVEPHRAGMITES AUSTRALIS REPORTSummer 1996 I have been pursuing Phragmites australis“giant reed” as a Ayahuasca analogue ingredient since your Spring 1995 issue, and can now report goodresults. I encourage your readers to experience it, as my journeys have beenexcellent and like those described by the anonymous contributor to ER. P.australisshould by no means be written off, as it is kinder than true ayahuasca.Yet it is different. My present recipe is 3 grams of Peganum harmala, following p. 57 of OTT’S Ayahuasca Analoguesclosely. With this small volume oflime juice and incidental water, there has been no nausea. Just boil it 15 minutes and filter it twice with a cotton T-shirt. Increase the water and you willexperience the trouble of thinking about your body and will probably blowchow. The P. australisrhizome (50 wet grams; a higher dose to be tested soon)is simply boiled 20–30 minutes and tastes just fine. This is about 2.5 feet ofrhizome if you can get it dried out. If you drink only the extracted root portion at least, there have been absolutely no bad physical side-effects to datewith 9 tests on four people. P. australishas the advantage of being everywhere, and I’m happy to report, difficult to eradicate in the East. It needsabundant water and is hard to find where I live in Northern California andin the desert. However, I finally found it growing at the Sacramento RiverDelta, and most poetically, next to the mothball fleet of warships anchoredin the backwaters of the San Francisco Bay. I like to think about the plantspiritually and physically cleansing this horror of American pollution. I havebeen told by a botanist that he was unsuccessful in his attempt to grow ithere, yet I have started five large tubs of it and every piece has sprouteddramatically. I plan to keep some of the plant growing with water lilies under water, and some in mud only damp on the surface. I expect the tubs tofill with rhizomes and almost burst with the wild energy of this beautifulreed.I am interested in getting a response from other ayahuascaros on a relatedsubject that I have both experienced and witnessed. It has no physiologicalexplanation that I can understand. My tea drinking has been withBanisteriopsis caapiand Psychotria viridis, made by Santo Daimechurch members and brought in from Brazil, and with the analogue plants describedabove. The California tea drinkers are often people new to the experience,but all practicing some dietary restrictions, and none eating at least fourhours before the event. Now, some of these people, including myself, all ofwhom drank appropriate portions to get off, experienced almost nothing atall on some occasions, and soared on others. This has been with both “real”ayahuasca and my analogue. My experience yesterday was with a long timeUnião do Vegetalchurch member and myself, this time with me soaring andhe feeling less (although he reported that his arms started growing pineneedles as he transformed into a tree). The time we drank together last, hebecame much higher than me. It would appear that it is possible to block theexperience sometimes, so that little happens. Although I can’t explain this, itmight account for reports of no entheogenic results on new plants sometimes, and variability ascribed to the plant material itself. Have other experienced this with their groups? I personally find that I cannot attain greatheights without evoking help and assistance from the “Source” or “Sources”of the “Light.” I cannot get off on my own; or at least I no longer want to try.I need to do this with prayer at the very onset of the tea coming on. I mightadd that I am a person who never prayed before, and who would not now, Isuppose, if I had not been so powerfully answered. May you stay in thepresence of the Light. May the Light protect our planet. — ANONYMOUS, CA PEGANUM HARMALAAND PHRAGMITES AUSTRALISSpring 199760 grams of Phragmites australisroots plus 3 grams of Peganum harmalaseeds.Phragmites australisis effective; I wasn’t sick, just very weak—possibly dueto the 24-hour diet. It was my first ayahuasca—very wild and pagan. Spiritfaces everywhere in the trees, very dark. I wasn’t really in the experience—it was too weak. I saw the spirits but was unable to talk to them or to actwith them. I was between two realms. Either 60 grams is a low dosage or myP. australiswas too old (one year at least). But again, it was very wild andpagan. — H.S., France "DMT from PHRAGMITES AUSTRALIS the common reed" http://www.anoniem.org/?http://www.freewebs.com/merlinalchemist/commonReed.zip Trzcina pospolita(PHRAGMITES AUSTRALIS). Kłącza trzciny są jadalne, więc raczej nie zawieraja trującej graminy, w przeciwieństwie do mozgi trzcinowatej. "Kłącza można prażyć w żarze, dusić, dodawać do zup lub po wysuszeniu zetrzeć na mąkę. Posiekane na krótkie odcinki można spożywać bez konieczności oddzielania włókien." "Zasiedlająca łanami brzegi wód trzcina pospolita Phragmites australis również jest jadalna i dostarcza wartościowej skrobi.Wybieramy białe, delikatne kłącza (łatwo nie będzie, niestety), drobno kroimy i gotujemy w osolonej wodzie, doprawiamy tym co mamy, na przykład liśćmi szczawiu. Ugotowane kłącza można też rozdrobnić na puree i okrasić pokrzywą i czosnkiem niedźwiedzim. Wody po gotowaniu nie wylewamy – wypijamy jako napój lub gotujemy z dzikiej zieleniny zupę. Młode, wiosenne kiełki przyrządzamy jak szparagi. Surowe kłącza i kiełki można żuć – dostarczają organizmowi cukru." "TRADITIONAL PREPARATION: 20-50g of the fresh or dried root is boiled for fifteen minutes and combined with 3 g of Peganum harmala seeds to create an ayahuasca analog (Ratsch 1998, 435)." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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